"Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@hia.no> wrote in message news:bksuop$70v$1@dolly.uninett.no... > > "Androcles" <jp006f9750@blurbblueyonder.co.uk> skrev i melding news:FShcb.289$O25.268@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk... > > > > "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@hia.no> wrote in message > > news:bks41d$sov$1@dolly.uninett.no... > > [snip as read] > > > 2. Androcles thinks that the transform: > > > tau = (t+vx/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) > > > implies some kind of "time contraction" as opposed to "time dilation". > > > Yep. Care to show why it isn't? > > Happy to oblige. > We consider a stationary clock in the "Latin frame", x = constant. > This clock is obviously moving in the "Greek frame", > and we can answer the question: > > At which rate dt/dtau is the _moving_ clock observed to run > at in the "Greek frame"? > > by differentiating: > dtau/dt = d/dt ((t+vx/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)) = 1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)) > thus: > dt/dtau = sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) > > This is good ol' "time dilation". > > We might also consider a stationary clock in the "Greek frame", > and ask the question: > > At which rate dtau/dt is the _moving_ clock observed to run > at in the "Latin frame"? > > (The simplest would of course be to use the inverse transform, > but let's use the one above.) > Let us assume the clock is at xi = 0. > This clock will be moving in the "Latin frame", x = -v*t. > tau = (t+v*(-v*t)/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) = t*sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) > thus: > dtau/dt = sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) > > This is good ol' "time dilation". > > Maybe you can explain where you see your "time contraction"? > > Paul Glad to oblige. First, we set w = -v, so that the "Greek frame" moves in the opposite direction. We consider a stationary clock in the "Latin frame", x = constant. This clock is obviously moving in the "Greek frame", and we can answer the question: At which rate dt/dtau is the _moving_ clock observed to run at in the "Greek frame"? by differentiating: dtau/dt = d/dt ((t+wx/c^2)/sqrt(1-w^2/c^2)) = 1/sqrt(1-w^2/c^2)) then we substitute for w its value. (w^2 is of course v^2), and we note that v has a negative slope. Hence dtau/dt = d/dt ((t-vx/c^2)/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)) = -1/sqrt(1-v^2/c^2)) thus: dt/dtau = -sqrt(1-v^2/c^2) This is the infamously incomprehensible and not understood "time contraction". Need I go on? Androcles |
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